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		<title>By: the lives of teachers &#187; Blog Archive &#187; poll &#8211; how do you learn to teach?</title>
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		<dc:creator>the lives of teachers &#187; Blog Archive &#187; poll &#8211; how do you learn to teach?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree with it myself, completely Jason.... just a bit of bloggers license. But I think you sum it up best in your penultimate sentence. How can we make it so teachers want to be observed? Having done so much univited observation, I am now happy to let anyone watch me for the sake of karmic balance. But when some colleagues of mine at local university, with the best of intentions, tried to instigate a peer observation programme not so long ago.... hell to pay. I suppose a lot of it boils down to job security - fewer university students, fewer classes, fewer jobs around.... what are the possible implications of having another teacher come into your classroom? As I said, I signed up and a couple of people came by and saw me, no sweat. But I do understand the reluctance.

Point by point...

1. Then there won&#039;t be any observation ;)
2. Yes, this I agree with
3. Absolutely - but very few get the chance to do it that often. I like the idea of an &quot;Extensive Observation&quot; programme, in which learners can choose their own observations, observe as much easy material as they can....
4. Yes, maybe. But my CELTA and DELTA observations were the only times I have been observed &#039;usefully&#039;, and they were very much silent clipboard. However, I did have a great deal of respect for my trainers and before and after the classes I was always encouraged and given excellent feedback. I could contrast that with the one external observation, in which the fella walked in ten minutes into the lesson and left fifteen minutes before the end without a word, and with no feedback, just a score at the end of the course (I passed ;)). I suppose what I&#039;m saying is that the most important thing is the skill of the trainer / manager / supervisor, and the quality of the relationship outside the observation.
5. I&#039;ll buy that. But don&#039;t tell me, after you serve up a shoddy lesson, that it&#039;s usually much better than this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with it myself, completely Jason&#8230;. just a bit of bloggers license. But I think you sum it up best in your penultimate sentence. How can we make it so teachers want to be observed? Having done so much univited observation, I am now happy to let anyone watch me for the sake of karmic balance. But when some colleagues of mine at local university, with the best of intentions, tried to instigate a peer observation programme not so long ago&#8230;. hell to pay. I suppose a lot of it boils down to job security &#8211; fewer university students, fewer classes, fewer jobs around&#8230;. what are the possible implications of having another teacher come into your classroom? As I said, I signed up and a couple of people came by and saw me, no sweat. But I do understand the reluctance.</p>
<p>Point by point&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Then there won&#8217;t be any observation <img src='http://www.livesofteachers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
2. Yes, this I agree with<br />
3. Absolutely &#8211; but very few get the chance to do it that often. I like the idea of an &#8220;Extensive Observation&#8221; programme, in which learners can choose their own observations, observe as much easy material as they can&#8230;.<br />
4. Yes, maybe. But my CELTA and DELTA observations were the only times I have been observed &#8216;usefully&#8217;, and they were very much silent clipboard. However, I did have a great deal of respect for my trainers and before and after the classes I was always encouraged and given excellent feedback. I could contrast that with the one external observation, in which the fella walked in ten minutes into the lesson and left fifteen minutes before the end without a word, and with no feedback, just a score at the end of the course (I passed <img src='http://www.livesofteachers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ). I suppose what I&#8217;m saying is that the most important thing is the skill of the trainer / manager / supervisor, and the quality of the relationship outside the observation.<br />
5. I&#8217;ll buy that. But don&#8217;t tell me, after you serve up a shoddy lesson, that it&#8217;s usually much better than this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Renshaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Renshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really interesting topic, Darren, which brings back a lot of memories...

As a school manager myself, I (reasonably) quickly discovered some essential rules for effective and non-stressful observation of lessons:

1. Teachers are not to be observed unless they instigate the process (as in, specifically say they would like to be observed, to help them improve) - OR, because of some success they are having in classes, are asked if others can observe them and pick up some positive tips

2. Teachers with &quot;problems&quot; tend to improve if they get to observe seniors (rather than having seniors observe them)

3. Observing or being observed tends to get a lot easier the more you do it

4. Silent &quot;elephant with a clipboard in the corner&quot; observers are potentially damaging, compared to participatory observers (who partake in the lesson as a &quot;learner&quot; or a co-teacher, which actually creates opportunities for observing as well as being observed!)

5. Learners almost ALWAYS behave very differently when they know they (or the teacher) are being observed, which creates a non-natural (or non-regular) classroom environment when observation takes place (which means almost everything that is observed has to be taken with at least a reasonably large grain of salt) 

      
Based on that, I wouldn&#039;t say I necessarily completely agree with your point about observation helping &quot;one person only - the oberver.&quot; It is true in most cases, but when a teacher who knows they are struggling - or just wants to know how they appear to be going - asks to be observed, it can definitely be beneficial to them.

Creating the environment where teachers actually want observation (of either type) is the key challenge, I guess. For me and the teachers I&#039;ve worked with, participatory observation had by far the most positive impact (and least intrusive effect on a classroom environment).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really interesting topic, Darren, which brings back a lot of memories&#8230;</p>
<p>As a school manager myself, I (reasonably) quickly discovered some essential rules for effective and non-stressful observation of lessons:</p>
<p>1. Teachers are not to be observed unless they instigate the process (as in, specifically say they would like to be observed, to help them improve) &#8211; OR, because of some success they are having in classes, are asked if others can observe them and pick up some positive tips</p>
<p>2. Teachers with &#8220;problems&#8221; tend to improve if they get to observe seniors (rather than having seniors observe them)</p>
<p>3. Observing or being observed tends to get a lot easier the more you do it</p>
<p>4. Silent &#8220;elephant with a clipboard in the corner&#8221; observers are potentially damaging, compared to participatory observers (who partake in the lesson as a &#8220;learner&#8221; or a co-teacher, which actually creates opportunities for observing as well as being observed!)</p>
<p>5. Learners almost ALWAYS behave very differently when they know they (or the teacher) are being observed, which creates a non-natural (or non-regular) classroom environment when observation takes place (which means almost everything that is observed has to be taken with at least a reasonably large grain of salt) </p>
<p>Based on that, I wouldn&#8217;t say I necessarily completely agree with your point about observation helping &#8220;one person only &#8211; the oberver.&#8221; It is true in most cases, but when a teacher who knows they are struggling &#8211; or just wants to know how they appear to be going &#8211; asks to be observed, it can definitely be beneficial to them.</p>
<p>Creating the environment where teachers actually want observation (of either type) is the key challenge, I guess. For me and the teachers I&#8217;ve worked with, participatory observation had by far the most positive impact (and least intrusive effect on a classroom environment).</p>
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